Relentless: The Journey Starts Here
Episode 1 with Jill and Molly
It's time to kick off the first episode of No Permission Necessary! Your hosts Molly Bierman and Jill Griffin are entrepreneurs, behavioral health experts, and moms. Today, they take us through their personal journeys of overcoming imposter syndrome, navigating career leaps, and redefining what success truly means.
From launching businesses amid a global pandemic to balancing ambition with mental wellness, Molly and Jill share candid stories, actionable strategies, and empowering insights to help you silence self-doubt, embrace risk, and start living unapologetically. It's time to rewrite the rules, it's time for no permission necessary.
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Molly Bierman 0:00
Hi guys, welcome to no permission necessary. You probably already heard a lengthy intro on why we're doing what we're doing. And I am Molly Bierman, the founder and co host of no permission necessary. And this is my co host,
Jill Griffin 0:14
Jill Griffin,
Molly Bierman 0:17
live, and we're gonna tell you a little bit. We're going to tell you a little bit about who we are.
I am a business owner. I've been working in the behavioral health space for about 15 years. I'm a person in long term recovery. I am a mom.
Jill Griffin 0:35
Did I miss anything? No, can I just say ditto? Because I'm all those things too.
Unknown Speaker 0:39
Yeah? True, yeah.
Jill Griffin 0:43
And that's part of why we drive so much. I mean, we started this podcast because we talk all the time about all those things, being an entrepreneur, a leader, somebody who a lot of people call for help. You know, I'm also a person in long term recovery, and we wanted to bring this to the masses and have, hopefully it inspires other people too.
Molly Bierman 1:08
Yeah, and I think it was really born out of COVID, COVID, as I was like reflecting on this, yes, first episode, and it was born out of a time where I was driving to an inpatient unit to run an inpatient facility that was brand new, okay, we opened March 16 of 2020, and you were also running agency at that point as No,
Jill Griffin 1:36
I was No, I was, I can remember, I can remember the exact conversation. Let me bring you back. I was working at a psychiatric hospital. I had left my agent Oh
Molly Bierman 1:48
yes, oh yes, oh yes, okay, okay, you're at Yale. I had left my
Jill Griffin 1:52
agency job, and I was sitting in the parking lot about to clock into the psych unit, and I remember telling you, like, Hey, there's this thing going on in the hospital. They're calling it this flu. Like, I don't know, but I think it's going to be a big deal. Like, you are going to travel, I think soon, or you were opening the you were opening, it was opening patient. And I was like, listen, like, it's going to be something. And you were like, You're overreacting. You're This is not a big deal. I was like, Okay, I'm just, I'm, I'm not trying to be like, you know, a bunch of doom, but like, I think it's going to be something. And so then I remember, I went away to Mexico, definitely had COVID, and my birthday is mid March, and I think the I think everything shut down the day after my birthday. And so a lot of this was born out of you having an hour drive to work opening this new place, and us being like, What the hell are we doing? I had just left my agency job as a clinical director. I'm now, like, mandated, essentially, to go into these psych units. I have six private practice clients. I have no plan at this point. There is and we'll talk more about that. But like, I'm just like, seeing, I'm like, can I still see these patients in in my office? Can I not do I mask? Do I not do I go to virtual it was, there were so many things that we would travel to on that hour drive.
Molly Bierman 3:27
Yeah, yeah. And not to mention there were no cars on the road like you really felt like you were alone, you know. So talk about being women in leadership roles.
Unknown Speaker 3:43
At the time, I wasn't a mom yet. I don't think I must have been pregnant
Molly Bierman 3:47
with Bodhi, right? Yeah, I was about to be pregnant, whatever. And you would drive down the road and no one was there, no one like I had to carry a letter that said I was an essential worker to be even on the road, or I could have gotten pulled over and, you know, I don't know, brought back to my house or whatever they were.
Jill Griffin 4:09
Video, I don't it was a wild time. It was a while.
Molly Bierman 4:12
It was a wild time. So nonetheless, we digress.
Jill Griffin 4:16
We're we're thriving on the other side of it, and here we are, but where, I think we really leaned on each other during that time, and we started joking at one point like we should start a podcast. And I think those closest to us, our friends, our family, particularly our husbands, are just sick of hearing us talk about this podcast.
Molly Bierman 4:40
Yeah, I don't know. Like, are you going to put out an episode ever? Or no, I mean, we're just doing it. Confused. We're doing it. We're here. We showed
Jill Griffin 4:48
up. And here's the thing about Molly and I that you'll get to know we're first. We're both firstborn daughters, and I think that that is relevant here. But if we. They were going to do something, we are going to do it full stop. There is, there is, we are zero to 100 real quick.
Molly Bierman 5:08
Yeah, relentless, as my mom reminded me on the latest podcast I just did, okay, yeah, she was like, you've been relentless, essentially. I think she used a kinder term, but relentless from the minute I was born. Yeah, I feel like my daughter is that way too. I'm gonna be honest right now. Like, Oh, I'm scared.
Jill Griffin 5:27
My daughter is definitely like that. Like, you put an idea out there, and I think that's why probably Alan, my husband, is was a little like, scared of this podcast, because he, like, rolled his eyes, because he's like, she's actually gonna do it, like it's now, she's putting it out there. It's now, we're doing another thing that was definitely the vibe
Molly Bierman 5:49
we're doing. Another thing I know. Here we are. Your husband sent me a nice text this morning, though.
Jill Griffin 5:55
Oh, about the podcast?
Molly Bierman 5:58
Yeah, about the podcast. About the episode that just came out on Zach's podcast, and then this podcast,
Jill Griffin 6:04
yeah, he's really fun, which we're having fun. That's fun talking about everything. But fun is at the basis of all of this for us.
Molly Bierman 6:17
And why we did it, right? We did it because, number one, I don't think there's enough females who speak out what the trials and tribulations are being in a leadership role and in primarily, a male dominated industry. And you know what? I also heard the other day on that woman Emma's podcast, who I love, shout out to her, because she she's a boss. She talked about, yeah, the Aspire podcast, it is real. And she talks about how she started a podcast because there was not enough women in the podcast space, and I didn't even know Yeah,
Jill Griffin 6:59
and in the business space, because I remember looking up statistics last year that I want to say it's like 8% of women owned businesses cross the million dollar mark in gross revenue, and if you look at that versus, you know, male owned businesses, and what that looks like. I mean, it's hard to start a business period. Never mind in male dominated spaces, never mind how the world views you if you are a business owner, a female and a mother, because I definitely think that there is a perception around you're not being present or available to your children, if you're kind of like nurturing this other baby, essentially, like my the businesses that I've created are my babies, you know? And so well, that's
Molly Bierman 7:55
a lot of what we talked about in during COVID, right? That was my first. My first born was a business, and all the employees that worked there, you know, they felt like my first true kind of extension of me, right? Like everything that you put into a business, and the heart and soul you put into it, and you put into your clients. I mean, Jill and I work in behavioral health, so we're not just talking about a and this isn't minimizing other businesses, but we're talking about lives, right, like people's lives, so that, yeah, it's elevated from I'm going to work or I'm going to actually try to potentially save a life and change The trajectory of a family's life, and the ripple effect that that has, because everything that we touch in our industry and in our business affects a lot more people behind the person right in front of us.
Jill Griffin 8:55
And a lot of times it's life or death. I mean, we deal with some total situations, and I think in all businesses, you're talking about lives, because at the end of the day, if you employ people, there is a huge responsibility that you feel about making sure that their families are okay by you providing that steady paycheck. Yeah, right. So, like, there's a lot there as well, in terms of, like, you know, it's not just about in behavioral health, it's the clients. But any business owner, if you employ people, and you pay people like, you have a real big impact on their quality of life. And the stress
Molly Bierman 9:34
that that, you know, comes with that, right? And that's a lot of what we would talk about, right? The stress of, how do we show up today, when we have all these other things going on in our life?
Jill Griffin 9:47
Allen stayed home with the kids because, you know, daycare shut down all that. So you had me going into the inpatient unit. You know, not every day, but enough times a week. He's. Working from home, because he also works in the behavioral health care industry, and not for nothing, but, and I was very vocal about this during during all the lockdown situation is like addicts and alcoholics got the shit end of the stick there, because isolation is one of the most dangerous things for alcoholics and addicts. And what you did, and you have to give it to a lot of 12 step communities, because I think they, they pivoted really well into the virtual meeting space really quickly, and and all these other support groups and and treatment centers, to be honest. I mean, we were all flying by the seat of our every nobody was a new nobody knew what was going on. So, you know, he's home with the two kids that created tension, right? Because it's like, well, I feel obligated to go help out on the units because they're still sick people coming into the hospital. But I'm at higher risk now for for COVID and then bringing it home to the kids. I had young kids at the time. I think my daughter was five and my son was two. He turned two, yeah, when we were locked down. So, like, it's not, it's not like these are teenagers that can be, that can fend for themselves, like it was a lot of hands on work, and so, you know, there was a lot. I also think that thank God I left my agency job before the pandemic, because, I mean, I just took the plunge right off the deep end of like faith at that point. But I left in December 2019 so if I had, if I had pushed that decision, I don't think I would have been able, I think, I don't think I would have been able to leave, because I think that my loyalty to stay to help them figure that out, I would have felt like the pandemic. Totally, yeah, I wouldn't have left. Totally, totally, oh, I just look back at all those things, and a lot of people thought I was crazy for leaving when I did. But you know what? Maybe it was a divine intervention. I don't know. I
Molly Bierman 11:52
remember, I remember that car ride and me hearing you, I think it was before we opened up the inpatient unit, but you calling me and being like, I think I'm gonna start a private start a private practice. And I was like, You should. And you were like, it'll just be me. And like, I'll just see clients and maybe I'll have a couple therapists working for me. Fast forward, half years
Jill Griffin 12:14
later, yeah, yeah. We're five years in 13. How many staff? Yeah, yeah, 13 staff
Unknown Speaker 12:24
and another business.
Jill Griffin 12:26
And yeah, I We also opened an intensive outpatient so it's like, all of the things again, going back to like, this whole idea of like, we say we're going to do something, we start it. It's like, I didn't know. In fact, what was actually funny is, I remember I went to a Reiki session probably two weeks after I left that agency job, and this woman did this Reiki session, and she said something to me about, like, you know, I just see you in this, like, building, this big building with all these offices and and you're really happy. And I was like, I don't, I don't have a built I had an office. I had one office, and it was just me. And I was like, Yeah, I don't that. That sounds nice, but I don't think you're talking about me. And, like, I thought about that actually this morning, because I was like, that's that is what I have now. That is very like, wild. Should we bring up the parking space? I just need everybody. I just need everybody to know that I've made it. I now have my own parking spot assigned to me with my name on it. I feel like that is the epitome of success at this point. Okay, it is my own name plate.
Molly Bierman 13:40
I love it, and I think that that
Jill Griffin 13:44
and Sarah, because that was a great idea,
Molly Bierman 13:48
and taking risk, you know, I think that that's really like when we really talk about, we're going to do a podcast. This feels like the big, biggest risk that I've taken, and Jill and I have talked about this
Unknown Speaker 14:00
in a long time, okay, yes, it was a risk to have
Jill Griffin 14:04
kids. It was all fun and games until we had a press record. Okay? We were like, Yeah, we're gonna do this podcast, blah, blah, blah. And then all of a sudden it got real, and we're like, oh, people are gonna listen to what we have to say. And I think that, I think the fear I'll say, my fears. My fears are, like, people aren't gonna like what I have to say. I'm drawing more attention to myself. What if I Yeah? What if people you know disagree with what I say? There's gonna be haters also. Like, I started questioning, like, Do I even have something to say that's worthwhile, that other people wanna listen to?
Molly Bierman 14:39
Right? And that's the fear, right? And I know for me and you, because Jill and I have known each other, okay, so we kind of shared, like, the whole COVID piece and how the the podcast was born out of that,
Jill Griffin 14:53
yeah, but we didn't need COVID. No.
Molly Bierman 14:55
We met, you know, 15 years ago, and so. And Jill can share her story of that, if she she, she would like but I think that what happened at, you know, for us, and it being born out of there's a lot of women that are afraid to take risk. There's a lot of women that are afraid to be in leadership positions and executive roles and be a mom, okay, and so I think a lot is to be said around that, and there's a lot of work that comes in to play to be able to break ceilings. Right the ceiling for me when I started my career and my adult life and having kids, I thought the ceiling was, like, really low, like, literally right above my head. And I'm like, Okay, if I break just through a little bit of that, like, I'm doing well, right? And then all of a sudden it just kept raising and raising and raising. And there was a guy who told me this was like a guy who I crossed paths with in early recovery when I was first getting sober, and I really grappled to get sober, and there was a gentleman that said to me, Molly, you're gonna have to raise the bar. And I feel like that term for me transformed my life. Granted, there were other people that probably told me that, and there were probably other people that told me that during a time that I needed to hear it and just couldn't, but I have successfully, I would say, continued to raise the bar since that
Jill Griffin 16:35
day. Yes, I agree with all of that. I think it's so multifaceted with women. I think it's perception from society, right? I think it's that whole old boys club mentality too, I think, and also, also we've come so far. So I don't want to say that this is like a daily experience, right, where I feel this like sexism, or I feel like I'm being unincluded, but I do feel like we're looked at differently. We're looked at differently, especially once you become a mother, it's it's looked at like, well, you're sacrificing raising your children to be in this leadership role, which I think also exists. I think it also exists that some people hide in their workplace. I think there's work workaholism. I think there's, you know, there's this place where you're not you're really off balance. You're not balanced. But I also think that there is a way to have a healthy relationship with your children and your family, and also balance that with like, your work ethic. Because I, I am someone who is naturally motivated. I am internally naturally motivated. I don't require outside help in terms of motivation, like I And granted, I think it helps a lot of people to have that accountability, and we can talk about, like, how that does support somebody, and like starting something, and, you know, creating a goal, starting it, and like seeing it through, but I am very headstrong. I mean, I don't need that external validation to get something done.
Molly Bierman 18:09
Let's talk about the stats for accountability, because I think that's important to say,
Jill Griffin 18:14
Yes, I think it is too so in terms of like starting something, people are actually 42% likely to achieve their goal if they write it down. Do you write your goals down?
Molly Bierman 18:27
I write them down because you make me write them down. Let's be real. I mean, we've done accountability check ins for years, a year, years, years. I mean, it. I did say we're most consecutive. This is the most consecutive I've been in. Listen, you get on the train, you get off the train, you get on the train, you get off the train, I mean, but I have been diligent, because I'm like, oh shit, if I don't send this to Jill, she's gonna be like, where? Yeah, and the same thing goes for you. I assume, right? So that the reciprocal relationships and raising the bar. I don't know if it's I feel like you're holding me accountable, but I do feel like it's a it's an equal accountability. It's not like, oh, Jill's above me or below me. It's like a true in my life, I look for true reciprocal relationships, and how do we support one another? So that's what I feel like. That is, you know,
Jill Griffin 19:24
so, just so everyone's clear, we we text each other every morning with the same thing, and one of those things is a gratitude list. And so I'm, I'm really big on that. I will tell you that I always thought that was such a dumb thing when somebody suggested that to me years ago, this is not going to change my life, but I will tell you, focusing on gratitude, and I don't have the statistics on this, but I will tell you, it is a positive psychology statistic that they found that like the more you are focused on gratitude, the more you will find things that you are grateful. For. And it is, I think it's profound, and it's life changing, and I share it with one other person too, because I feel like, if I'm in a funky spot and I say, I don't screw this, I'm not doing this today, but then you send me yours, I'm going to be like, now I have to do this stupid ground and right? And lo and behold, I can always come up with five things I'm grateful for even if everything, if that, if everything
Molly Bierman 20:23
is on fire, even if the house is on fire, yeah, yeah, there's always something. And so therefore it makes me not spit fire in the morning, because liable to do that if I'm not in check, yeah?
Jill Griffin 20:36
But the success rate of achieving something when you have accountability. 95% that's astounding. So
Molly Bierman 20:45
like I feel I needed, we're there. We've made it our husbands would beg to differ, and don't worry. To the listeners, I hope there's some listeners on here. To the listeners, we are going to do an interview with our husbands, and I'm going to interview Jill's husband, and she's going to interview mine. I
Jill Griffin 21:11
think that's an important perspective, because it's been I think, I think it's a challenge for families all together, I think to to get used to the roles that we're in. And you know what I was gonna say before?
Unknown Speaker 21:24
Well, that's something to talk about. Well, I want to go, Well, I was gonna
Jill Griffin 21:27
go off on a little bit of a tangent here, because I was gonna say that my you were mentioning your kind of experience getting into the field with leadership. My experience with leadership started from a young age, because my mother was a female leader, right? She was essentially, she was the first selectman of our town. She was essentially what you would consider a mayor another. But we live in a small town, so it's the first selectman. But I always saw her in that she was in a public light. She spoke publicly to people. She she was the person. I mean, she was an elected official, right? So I've always had that example of, like, No, there's nothing can stop me from being in charge of whatever, of whoever, like, that's just I didn't have any doubts. I also feel like growing up, if I look back, I definitely had those leadership roles in different like, different ways when I was growing up. So I didn't necessarily see a challenge with getting to that space, I think, and I can share more when we kind of dive a little bit deeper into each of us individually, but my barriers and my ceilings were much more self made in terms of, like, my past before I got sober, and how that affected what I thought was going to allow me to break into this field. Well, I've wanted, yeah, I've wanted to be a social worker since I was in high school. My godmother was a social worker. I was always like, that seems like something I want to do. Want to help people. Like, I can see myself doing that and even getting my my license. Like I didn't know if I was going to be able to do that, like, get back into school and graduate college and, like, all these things, because I had just burned everything to the ground, right? So that was much more of my I feel like I don't know if it's turning 40. I don't know if it's like this midlife point. I don't know if it's like this point in my sobriety that like I've I've gotten to this place where I've done a lot of the inner work, but I no longer have those feelings of like I can't do this for whatever reason, for whatever self imposed reason, right? Like I know if I don't know how to do something, I have the people around me I can ask. I have a really good support system. I have mentors, I have people I can call to help me get whatever I need to figure out done, right. But now
Molly Bierman 23:56
the data you have, the data that you've Yeah, to do it, right? So it didn't start that way, right? And as grew and your purpose grew, you realized that, just like most of us did, right, we started to realize, oh, this is possible, and then that's possible, and then that's possible. And it started with very basic things, right, like being regimented starts with really, really basic things, and then it starts to elevate you to the next goal and the next goal and the next risk and the next risk. And I tell folks all the time, I'm like, Look, you can live in safe and comfortable and be okay with that, or you can take risk and not know what's on the other side. I mean, my favorite thing to tell families is, right? I wish I could give everybody a crystal ball and it could tell you what's on the other side, but I think I'd be shortchanging you right, because there is this level in what we do right, that people are scared. They're really scared to take risk. But
Jill Griffin 24:57
I also think that you have. To look at. Well, one of the, honestly, one of the, my most favorite things to say to somebody is like, are you going to regret doing this thing more than not doing the thing right? Because sometimes we're like, Well, I don't know if I can do this thing, okay, but are you going to live in regret for the rest of your life because you didn't try it, because I think what that's why we started the podcast, yeah, and what came up for me before, when you were talking is, like, imposter syndrome, right? Because even when I was in this, even when I started to achieve some of my goals, like, get my license, get that first director's role, start moving up the chain of, like, leadership and, like, getting into these management roles, I still had a lot of imposter syndrome, and I think that's what I'm saying now, is like, I'm at this point now where, like, No, I know my worth. I know what I can do, not in a not in a cocky way, but just like, I am very self confident and self aware of like, these are my this is my skill set. This is what I'm able to do whereas before. And I think imposter syndrome holds a lot of people back, especially women. And I want to say that it affects women more, especially women, like women who stay home, stay at home, moms, people that maybe take a break in their career, for whatever reason. I think there's this fear of, like, well, how are people even going to the first interview? You know, like your mom talked about that a little bit, right? Like, yeah, that reminds me
Molly Bierman 26:22
of my mom. She was a stay at home mom for 24 years, or whatever it was, I guess she said 18, I don't know, but it felt like, you know, our whole childhood, and her going back to school and getting a degree, and she's a social worker and getting her license and having to sit through an exam, I mean, and doing that in her, I guess, mid 50s, right, early, early 50s, I guess. And I watched her do that, and I was like, whoa. And even me right, like I had my own journey of struggling in my, you know, education and not, you know, taking the normal kind of quote, unquote trajectory of how, you know, a young person goes through the stages of life, and being really fearful when I went back to school, being like, Can I do this? Right? I don't know if I can do this and again, just like risk after risk. And listen, there were people in my life that 100% told me I couldn't, and that I will tell you that the reason that they The reason is because, well, I don't know if it's even haters. Yes, there's, obviously, there's a subgroup. There is haters, but I think it's more so that they are in they feel inferior and they want you to match their energy. So that way, if they say you can't do it, or they question you, or they put out their own opinions, it really makes them feel comfortable in them not taking the risk, right? So yeah, that's why the people that are around us primarily are risk takers, right? Are people that risk their life to get sober, that risk and risk their life to use, obviously, but put it on the line to say, Okay, I want to live differently. And then by that change, it also came with career changes and marriage and having kids and how to raise kids, you know,
Jill Griffin 28:25
so all leaps of faith,
Molly Bierman 28:28
I don't know. I have appreciation for the people that told me I couldn't do it. I'll tell you that, because I'm like, Well,
Jill Griffin 28:35
I think that's a good point, though, because you know when, like, your parents want to know, my parents would say this when you were growing up, you're like, you're only as good as like the people you hang out with, like you're gonna be just like people you hang out with. And I'd be like, Yeah, okay, first of all, and I that was true, that was true, that was true. And I'm also sharing that knowledge just tonight about that.
Molly Bierman 28:55
No, Robin just talked about that on her podcast about motherhood, and it is so true? Yeah,
Jill Griffin 29:01
I'm telling my kids that, okay, because it is true. I actually may have told my oldest that last week. Okay, I don't care if you're not mean, if these other girls you hang out with are mean, you're going to be considered mean, it's just how it works. And the same, when you become an adult, you need to have cheerleaders, like, if you're starting something new, like, I just think of we could get in, and we're not today, but at some point we can get into my health journey, because we know that's been a that's been a ride we've all been on my, my health and fitness journey, front seat, front and center. So you can't, if you're gonna, let's just talk about starting that. You know, I'm gonna get think about like, postpartum, your whatever, like, maybe you gain that, that COVID, 15 or 20. It was more for me, if we're going to be honest, and then you want to lose weight, you can't have these people in your life. Like, oh no, you can cheat today. Oh no, you don't have to do that workout today. Oh no, no. You need a cheerleader. You need somebody that's going to say. No, you said you were going to do this goal, and you need to stick to it. You need somebody that's going to that's the accountability. So when, when I share my, hey, I'm going to do this thing, I share it with somebody else, that other person needs to reflect back to me. No, you said you were going to do this, like, what's
Molly Bierman 30:17
going on? There's a lot of people in our life in particular, and I think this is where Jill and I really gravitated to each other, too, when we talked about doing the podcast. And so the title is no permission necessary, so let's just start there, and I and the reason why that's the title is because that is pretty much what we embody on a
Unknown Speaker 30:36
daily basis, I mean, but
Molly Bierman 30:38
that wasn't how we always were right? So that's the cool part of this, right? That's the real transformation. Is that a lot of times in my life, I was shrinking myself to match whoever I was around, and I would minimize, minimize my goals, I would minimize the accomplishments, because I didn't want to make the other person feel inferior, right? Or uncomfortable. So as Anna or uncomfortable, right? So when we talk about holding each other accountable, or other people holding other other people holding us accountable, there tends to that group tends to shrink a little bit, because I think that the energy we give really makes people a little bit fearful and timid and granted. That is probably part of my reaction too, right? If I'm not ready to hear feedback,
Unknown Speaker 31:31
everybody better watch out.
Jill Griffin 31:33
You should have heard from it's, it's a lot the it's, it's what's every don't take it personal. It's just, it's a molly problem. Yes, I agree with that. I also think that when you were talking, I thought about, like, as a leader, what I and I'm gonna totally botch this, but I'm gonna try. I'm gonna try to paraphrase. But like, as a leader, I look at myself as if you can, when the tide rises, all the boats rise with it, right? So, like, if you're rising up, you're pulling all the other people up with you. So like, I don't need people to match my energy all the time, right? They could be that naysayer, but if they are willing and able to kind of rise with me, I'm gonna pull you up with me, right? Like, I don't need you to be on my level or but like, you know, I I'm gonna pull you up if, but if you're gonna be dead weight and not be a willing participant in this, like, I gotta let you go. And that doesn't mean that, like, you're not friends with people anymore, or you don't, but it's just like, the relationship dynamic, or it
Molly Bierman 32:36
does, or it does, yeah, it does, yeah, but over. But I
Jill Griffin 32:41
will say that I have really cultivated, and obviously you're part of this, but, and I think we've both done this, we have cultivated really supportive, like community around us that also they're gonna tell us they're gonna call us on our ship. You need people that are going to call you on your ship, because hearing like that, you're so great all the time. That's not what we need. Sometimes you need somebody to say, like, you need a little gut check. You need a little like, humility check. Like, okay, what's your part in this? Like, where, where, what are we doing here? Like, this, isn't you? This doesn't feel like you.
Molly Bierman 33:17
Every kid getting an award. Like, no, my kid, if they if they win, we're not. But I also think that, you know, I also think that how we structured this and what's to come for the listeners, because I think that's important to mention here too, is that we know some. We don't know everything, and we are going to bring some of those people that have been in and around our community that are really valued, integral parts of our process, who we respect, who we want to learn from. That's really what we're showing up here for. So yeah, you're going to hear Jill and I talk a lot about our own personal journeys and professional journeys, and we're going to be sprinkling in quite a bit of interviews with folks that we respect, you know.
Jill Griffin 34:10
And also sharing, yeah, and also sharing, like, some real big takeaways. I think it's really important to get the tools, you know. We can talk about how this affected our alliance. But again, like Molly said, We didn't start out this way, if, if we're being completely honest, and this will be on an upcoming episode, but like I 15 years ago, I was like, I just want to get a job at Dunkin Donuts and be I'll be cool with it. Like, just put me behind a counter slinging bagels. Like, if I can do that.
Molly Bierman 34:40
Was that? Where is it? Was that, where you were working here for 15 years ago, when you
Jill Griffin 34:43
got so 15 years ago when I tried to get my first job in sobriety, Einstein Bagels wouldn't hire me because I couldn't pass a background check. So, yeah, we can. We can get into it. But friendlies in the mall, yeah. But then I but then I got hired. I that is what started me back into, like I was, like a front desk person. Then I became a CNA,
Unknown Speaker 35:10
oh, I forgot about that.
Jill Griffin 35:11
Yeah. So, like, the whole moral of that story, though, is that we didn't we started from the bottom. Now we're here. Okay, so we want to share all
Molly Bierman 35:23
of that play. If we could play that music in the background of our podcast, we would. But I was told by a podcast team that the Copyright infringement is problematic for us to drop anybody else. We won't
Jill Griffin 35:37
have money to pay those fine, so we're gonna, no, we're gonna bypass that. But you get the point. You can go press play on wherever you listen on that song. But I will say that I would love to hear people's feedback. I mean, about starting something new, what that looks like for you, the challenges? Because I think the other thing is, we want to have some listener interaction around, like, what is helpful here, because I know the the challenges that we've been through, and we're kind of going to run roll with this podcast of like, what's going on with us at any given time, and like, sharing what's going on with us, what's working, what's not. And at the end of every episode, we're going to have a permission slip, so you want to tell them about that? Yes, because no permission, yeah, but we're going to give you a permission
Molly Bierman 36:25
necessary. Yeah, it's not necessary, but we think it'll be helpful, right? And so it was really inspired out of some other podcasts that we listen to that we like to offer consistency. I don't know. I feel like that's my favorite word in the English language, is consistency, because it's brought me to a place where I have, again, broken barriers that I felt that I couldn't and consistently showing up in a way that was raw and real. And so each week, we're gonna give a permission slip, and it's gonna be takeaways. So that will not only be takeaways from myself and Jill, but also takeaways from our expert insights, right? So from the people that we interview. So we'll give, yeah, a little takeaway. It'll be posted on our social and you can follow us on all the things, no permission necessary.com, Instagram, at no permission necessary, YouTube, Spotify, Apple, wherever you follow your podcasts. And we're excited that you're on our journey with us, right? Because I think that this is a time that we felt, yeah, stars aligned right to level up, take the risk and and just do it unedited right here. I mean, they'll probably be a little edit, but, you know, I eliminated the light switch, so you guys will have seen that edit. But, you know, yeah, it's really for us to have a good time and
Jill Griffin 38:07
bring you along on the ride.
Molly Bierman 38:09
Bring you along, yeah, so we're hoping that you follow you like you leave us a review, and we can't wait to see how the community grows. All right,
Unknown Speaker 38:22
that's a wrap until next time. Until next time,
Molly Bierman 38:26
catch us weekly. You.
