Culture First: Leadership, Accountability, and the Hard Conversations

Sep 2

Episode 10 with Jill and Molly

Benefits are only one aspect of workplace culture; another is how your team feels the moment they arrive. In this episode of No Permission Necessary, hosts Molly Bierman and Jill Griffin dive into one of their favorite topics: building a healthy, lasting workplace culture. They share candid stories from their own leadership journeys, overcoming toxic environments, learning from mistakes, and finding the balance between accountability and empathy.

From handling tough conversations and performance reviews to understanding staff morale and client safety, Molly and Jill provide practical insights and actionable strategies for leaders at every level. If you’ve ever struggled with poor communication, difficult management, or the demands of leadership, this episode is for you.

Jill Griffin 0:00
It was on me, then
Unknown Speaker 0:04
it was on mute. I couldn't I
Jill Griffin 0:06
was literally screaming, can you hear me? Then I just gave up. I was like, waving my arms,
Molly Bierman 0:14
No, you were behind the other browser. Did you text me?
Jill Griffin 0:23
No, I texted our group text. What do they want me to do about my my mic here. It doesn't sound weird to me, but I it's it seems like something's getting lost.
Molly Bierman 0:34
Your settings are set on
Jill Griffin 0:37
again these my mic. Is it the upside down heart? The upside down heart? Okay, gain at height. Gain is like, Here,
Molly Bierman 0:47
see, no, I can't really see it. Tell me if it's hot because it's blurry. Oh, it's way up or way down. I think it's way down. Now. Okay, all right, okay, that was my issue. Then,
Jill Griffin 1:02
okay. So, so you you just self diagnosed and corrected, even though you actually have no idea about microphones or audio visual, it's
Molly Bierman 1:15
obviously, oh, I'm just going off of what you did. Wouldn't that make sense?
Jill Griffin 1:21
I think that's a very simplistic explanation. And yeah, I don't know if that's how it works, but,
Unknown Speaker 1:31
well, it does, in my mind.
Jill Griffin 1:34
Okay, well, I guess nobody's coming to save us So
Unknown Speaker 1:43
in true fashion,
Jill Griffin 1:48
yeah, no one's coming to save you, so we're just going to proceed as usual, per usual. I mean, I liked GPT real quick. I liked, I don't think that's going to help right now. Okay, I liked how Zach posted you yesterday.
Molly Bierman 2:04
Oh, my God, don't even say it that. I was like, Zach, I'm gonna get canceled.
Jill Griffin 2:14
Is that what you're nervous about? Yeah, that's why have you seen his unhinged post lately? If he's not canceled, you're not going to be canceled,
Molly Bierman 2:21
you know, but he's like, he can get away with it. All right, let me close it, because you're a woman, you can't say that. Probably I need a coffee now that I'm looking at that. It's been broken for, like, weeks, still broken, yes,
Jill Griffin 2:37
because how are you drinking coffee in the morning? I had
Molly Bierman 2:41
a backup coffee maker from when we lived in the city, so I've been making like a pot of coffee, which is, like,
Jill Griffin 2:49
Is it ready in the morning? Like mine is because mine brews,
Molly Bierman 2:53
obviously, and it does have like, grounds, you know, like, I grind, you know, it has a grinder, you know. But I'm
Jill Griffin 3:01
gonna share something that's really embarrassing for me, but I'm going to do it anyway.
Molly Bierman 3:04
Oh my god, this is amazing, and we didn't cut a blooper.
Jill Griffin 3:11
We bought a coffee pot a couple of months ago, and every single day there's been grounds in our coffee every single day. Now, mind you, I've drank, I've drank up to a pot of coffee a day for the majority of the last 16 years. Okay, so I am a coffee connoisseur at this point, I would consider myself, but you don't know how to Alan. Alan used to work at Starbucks. I mean, between the two of us our expertise, our expertise should really blend to be able to make
Molly Bierman 3:46
barista we would have he was,
Jill Griffin 3:48
he was, yeah, we should New Haven, downtown. New Haven was behind
Molly Bierman 3:52
the counter. Like, just one day, just a challenge. I know, yes.
Jill Griffin 3:56
Oh, love that. So this weekend, this weekend, this past weekend, they were like, well, it doesn't sound like something's wrong, that you're getting grounds and and I was like, well, there's the basket, and then there was this, like, there's this other basket that goes in the inside. It's Hang on a second. Hang on a second. In my mind, it was an optional, reusable filter. Okay? Because I don't know if you remember the Keurigs, they have that reusable, you know, cup, so it replaces the actual cup, right? You're putting the grounds in. So anyway, we've just been putting the paper filter in the basket. Somebody over the weekend was like, No, I think that filter you have to do the basket and the filter, I've never had a two
Molly Bierman 4:50
part need to do. You don't even need the paper filter. News alert,
Jill Griffin 4:56
I've tried it without it. There was still grounds, which we tried. Ride that first, without the paper filter,
Molly Bierman 5:03
but with the with the basket insert. Yes, you don't really,
Jill Griffin 5:10
story is there, yeah, because I need jet fuel in the morning. Okay, the reality
Molly Bierman 5:18
feel like the whole Keurig situation is a problem like you're basically drinking hot, melted plastic. Is anyone else concerned about
Jill Griffin 5:26
I'm not drinking a Keurig, although I will say at the office, if I'm in a pinch, there is a Keurig machine and I will have enough plastic coffee. But regularly, also, it's the same with the Nespresso. People are like, Oh, you got to get the Nespresso No, ma'am. First of all, I've had friends who haven't been able to have their coffee in the morning because they can't get the shipment of the Nespresso cup pods. Well, those
Molly Bierman 5:53
are aluminum, so I think those right. Are they plastic too? Maybe they're plastic
Jill Griffin 5:58
aluminum. I highly doubt they are aluminum. I don't think so you could just
Molly Bierman 6:07
this is where Zach would say. What did Zach say to me yesterday? Hold on, either way, because I recorded
Jill Griffin 6:14
it. The the end result this week is that I give you credit.
Molly Bierman 6:20
For this? No, you said you were right. I said, Nope,
Speaker 1 6:23
no. I said, my whole relationship with you is trust but verify, because you shake things confidently, and most of the time you're wrong. However, for this protein water, you're right
Jill Griffin 6:35
because he, he wanted to make it a very specific, you know, caveat that you're you're only right for that one thing, right when we know that it's actually more Often, I would bet on Yeah.
Molly Bierman 6:58
Are they? Yes? Hmm? Yes. Well, either way, is that calling Zach Snitzer second right in a row, no Nespresso pods are not made of plastic. They are made from aluminum to for that problem, and are recyclable.
Jill Griffin 7:19
But Is that also? First of all, no one's recycling an espresso pod. They're throwing that right in the garbage. Let's be honest.
Molly Bierman 7:27
I don't care what they do. I just had a feeling that I was right about it being aluminum, and that's why they cost more. And they're
Jill Griffin 7:34
also heated metal, heated metal, ingesting that is that also a problem? I mean, I'm not an expert on these things. I wasn't even an expert on making coffee, apparently. And the moral of this is interesting.
Molly Bierman 7:46
Didn't you ever have a coffee commitment? No, no, that's a negative. Okay, let me digress.
Jill Griffin 8:01
Anyway. I haven't had grounds in my coffee all week. Is is the end result. So you're thriving.
Molly Bierman 8:08
I'm living off of a broken coffee
Jill Griffin 8:10
man and Starbucks, if you're here, I I single handedly, probably support at least one employee at the local store with with the amount of Starbucks that I purchased, it's got nothing.
Molly Bierman 8:24
I loved being a barista, and I will tell you that that was one of my more favorite jobs. Truly, like Alan,
Jill Griffin 8:29
it's stressful back there in a business,
Molly Bierman 8:33
and you got to know how to multitask and compartmentalize and do good first job. It's a great it wasn't my first. They have
Jill Griffin 8:41
good benefits. They have good well, I'm saying, like, it's a good job before you get into maybe a profession like you career, a lot of soft skills, yeah. And also just customer service. Again, the multitasking alone, customer
Molly Bierman 8:56
service, I would have, you know, Joe's latte at the counter before he even made it up there, I will. That's customer service.
Jill Griffin 9:07
They also have good benefits. So shout out, Starbucks.
Molly Bierman 9:10
They do. I'm not really enthused with their coffee lately, but I shouldn't say that. Really.
Jill Griffin 9:15
You gotta get the blonde espresso. See, I only drink and if anyone wants to know my coffee order, it's a veggie hot, extra hot Americano, blonde espresso, sugar free vanilla and cream.
Molly Bierman 9:29
Okay? Mine is a for Starbucks, a grande almond milk latte with half the sweetener of either a hazelnut or toffee nut extra hot,
Jill Griffin 9:43
obviously, obviously extra hot. Nothing is worse. I will drink extra hot all year round, even when I need 200 degrees out. Nothing is worse than a lukewarm coffee or
Molly Bierman 9:55
soup. We went out to dinner last night. There was this soup that was really good. It. Did not come out piping hot. I'm like, it's a
Jill Griffin 10:01
no, this isn't gazpacho.
Molly Bierman 10:05
Ew. I can't even eat. First of
Jill Griffin 10:08
all, that's disgusting.
Unknown Speaker 10:15
No, a cold,
Jill Griffin 10:16
cold, refrigerated soup, absolutely not. I'm out for it. That is
Unknown Speaker 10:21
gross.
Jill Griffin 10:22
It's disgusting,
Molly Bierman 10:24
I will tell you, and then we'll get into the pod. I will tell you that I found the best salsa on the market.
Jill Griffin 10:36
Is it a national brand, or is it local to Maryland?
Molly Bierman 10:39
Get it shipped. You can get it shipped and it is in Maine, and it is, you know why it's good first ingredient, it says fresh in all capital letters, tomatoes.
Jill Griffin 10:51
I mean, isn't that the core ingredient of salsa? I
Molly Bierman 10:55
don't think people are using fresh tomatoes in this day and age. What are they using? Some sort of like canned situation. So the deal is this? No, the deal is this. You know, who makes
Jill Griffin 11:07
come see my mom. Come see my mom because she just made some last look out of fresh, homegrown tomatoes.
Molly Bierman 11:13
You just became not blurry. I appreciate that. Twin sisters salsa order. I want you to order it. I want you to do it, you know, side by side with your mom. Is it twin
Jill Griffin 11:26
sisters you're gonna have? If you think that I'm gonna remember that, you better text that to me. That's not happening.
Molly Bierman 11:31
Let's be honest. Is it twin sisters
Jill Griffin 11:35
or you just became not blurry? What just happened? God, I don't know, Anthony, you can cut that out, but I do. I feel like we haven't really connected this week, which is part of why I think we need to catch up a little bit here. Yeah, we do. I'm hanging on by a thread. You're hanging on by a thread. Well, I'm hanging out by my
Molly Bierman 12:01
kids are home, so there's a real it's called Sister salsa, my apologies. And guys, here it is. Oh, they have a variety pack. I'm ordering some today. This is it, guys. And look how fresh. That looks delicious.
Jill Griffin 12:22
It does look good. Looks like some fresh in there too. I'm
Molly Bierman 12:25
gonna order you. I'm gonna order us both some. I'll have it shipped to your house. Okay,
Jill Griffin 12:29
should we do a taste test on on the pod? Yeah? Like, like an episode of Hot ones. I would, first of all, I would never do that. Have you ever watched that they're crying and vomiting, where they taste the hot sauces by, like the mild, and then they go to the hottest.
Molly Bierman 12:47
You know that in London, from my understanding, is that the Indian food is supposed to be, like, amazing
Jill Griffin 12:53
in London, yeah, I was there last year, this time.
Molly Bierman 12:56
Okay, so there was a, there was a video of a guy who ordered, like, the hottest curry that like this, this establishment makes. He was he basically naked.
Jill Griffin 13:09
I mean, I don't think I could handle it. I I had some. What is it like the food from New Orleans, or it's like
Unknown Speaker 13:22
the, like, a
Jill Griffin 13:25
Creole, yeah, but there's like, a name for it. Oh, I know a type of food. I remember I went to this restaurant in Long Island. This is at least 10 years ago. I still remember that meal. I still remember this meal very vividly, Zagat rated. It was, I don't know what the restaurant is called, however, I remember the meal. It was so good. It was so good. But the bite at the end, it's like, you had a bite, it was so good, but then, like, the heat came in afterwards, it snuck up on you. I was, I don't drink milk. I was chugging milk trying to, like, get my tongue back. I mean, it was so I was literally leaking from my eyes, my nose, like everything was just running. And I'm like, I want this to be enjoyable, but it's crossed a line now.
Molly Bierman 14:12
No, it's, it is really, you're, you're really crossing a line when you can't in, when
Jill Griffin 14:18
your nose is running, you have to blow your nose between every bite. We're no longer in an enjoyable dieting experience. I agree, but some people can handle that. I I don't know. I also don't love ever since kids the heartburn, I can't handle it. I know you said that they've ruined it.
Molly Bierman 14:39
Oh, I gotta pull her notes for this episode. Hold on,
Jill Griffin 14:49
all right, so I people are starting school. Kids are starting school. Professionals are going back to school. We got some counseling, social. Work interns going back to school. This is the
Molly Bierman 15:04
Chinese going back to school. Should we be going back to school?
Jill Griffin 15:07
Absolutely not. Don't even, don't even speak those words. I don't want the emails. Don't try to recruit me. I'm not going back. I'll get my CEUs. But school is not happening again for Jill Griffin,
Molly Bierman 15:22
nope, I'm proud of you. Well, you you've done your fair share. You've done your fair share.
Jill Griffin 15:28
I have enough credits to be a medical doctor. If we add up all of the credits that I've taken in all of the schools that I've gone to throughout my lifetime, I could legitimately be a medical doctor.
Speaker 2 15:41
Wouldn't that be something? It would be something
Jill Griffin 15:46
I'd probably be canceled. If I was a doctor through covid and everything, I probably would have been canceled. That's just, it's okay. I don't know we a lot of these doctors, unfortunately, are captured by the healthcare system. I think they own you all those student loans. No. Thank you. No. Thank you. I'll stay in my lane in the healthcare field and feel comfortable health. We'll stay in our lane. Yeah, well, to Zach's point, though, you do cross over into the medical Lane quite often. You do you? You really do moonlight as a medical professional.
Molly Bierman 16:31
It's just common sense. It's not that I have a degree. It's just like basic common sense, all right. Well, we say our basic common sense. Well,
Jill Griffin 16:43
if you're someone listening to this and you're going to med school, you're starting this semester off in med school, if you're going back for your social work degree, your counseling degree, or if you're one of our children, or one of the children, or one of the parents of children going back to school, we wish you all luck, because we all need it we do. We all need it. I will say that I look forward to the start of school. Since my children started going to school. I always loved I always loved summer, but I will tell you, and I said this to somebody recently, like fall, I think is actually my time to shine, because football comes back. Okay? Well, we haven't even got into the football I am extremely excited for football season to start. Let me tell you, I
Molly Bierman 17:31
drafted a good team. I drafted a good team this year for fantasy. So
Jill Griffin 17:35
no patriots uniforms that just came out. I'm getting one. First of all, they are amazing. I have all I'm excited. I actually looped Alan into our pick and pool this year. He's going to be participating. Did he not yet? No, oh no. He sits on the sidelines.
Speaker 2 17:58
Yeah. So he's, he is, he is moving into
Jill Griffin 18:03
football fandom. He's in I'm converting.
Molly Bierman 18:07
And you have also moved into listening to fish.
Jill Griffin 18:12
Let's Okay, well, I will attend fish concerts. When you say listening to fish that that makes it sound like I'm listening to it driving in the car or in my free time. That's that. That's probably never gonna
Molly Bierman 18:25
happen. What can we catch you listening to in your free time, in your car?
Jill Griffin 18:29
Ratchet music, although I will tell you, forest Frank, Forrest Frank has some bangers right now. Who's Forrest Frank? What? He's a singer, pop star, but he sings about, God,
Unknown Speaker 18:44
oh, okay,
Jill Griffin 18:46
never heard it's a vibe. It's a vibe. Okay, I'm really surprised you haven't heard of him. I'll have to send you some some of the songs, okay, okay, how have you not heard of him?
Molly Bierman 18:57
For Frank, no, never
Jill Griffin 19:01
well. And then I'm listening to podcasts. I don't know anyway. I think fall is the time to shine, though, because I can get back into a routine. It's just much more like regimented for me. And I think we've gotten into this pattern right now in the fan in the house, where we're up later, and then we're getting up later, and these kids are about to have a rude awakening because they're not even up when they have to get on the bus right now.
Molly Bierman 19:32
Are you putting them back through like a boot camp over the weekend?
Jill Griffin 19:36
No, we're gonna be no, we're gonna be away. My kids do very well with transition. And obviously, I think, like anybody, we all thrive in some sort of routine. Absolutely, however, they are very good about being out of routine and having to go back like that transition point. They don't, hmm. Yeah, it's gonna, it's gonna be a little tough in the morning, but
Molly Bierman 20:04
it was a wild ride. Okay, prior to, prior to this week, we were away on vacation last week, and the sleep patterns, the chasing, the carrying, the negotiations, the two children both individually falling out of the bed at separate times
Jill Griffin 20:30
been there. It
Molly Bierman 20:35
didn't go great, you know? I mean, we definitely had a lot of fun, but I kind of felt like I did a not a marathon, but longer than a marathon, a what is it called?
Jill Griffin 20:54
An Iron Man? Yes, a triathlon.
Molly Bierman 20:58
No, an Iron Man, yeah, whatever the hardest one is, yeah, I felt as though I did it. It did an Iron Man and completed it. So congratulations to me, and we're still recovering, because we are at that weird point between school and camp, and it's the week that no one does anything, except for some of the counties that get to go back before Labor Day, which some families will say, I'm not here for it. I'd rather just have a clean start after Labor Day. Great, but those people are saying that that aren't stuck in Hell Week, which is the current week.
Jill Griffin 21:41
That's what it is. We are in hell week right now. And so I am looking at all of these back to school pictures people are posting, and I am jealous, yes, like,
Molly Bierman 21:55
I know some people school full days. I just, I know I just need the routine here.
Jill Griffin 22:00
But I know some people that went back to school, like date in the beginning of this week, I have all the way until Wednesday to make it. I mean, this is just insanity. Thank God.
Molly Bierman 22:10
Why are they giving why are they giving off to why don't they just start on
Jill Griffin 22:14
Tuesday? Wait, let's, let's not just are they starting? It's not only that they are starting Wednesday, half day, it's a half day. Two half days, Wednesday and Thursday. Okay? And I don't know if you're from the northeast, there's a very large behavioral health conference that happens the week after Labor Day. So I'll be solo parenting for the start of school as well. So there and then, and then the following week, I am going to the Andrea conference. Shout out to all the EMDR clinicians. I'm hoping to meet a lot of new people while I'm out there, but I'll be traveling out to California, so I had to really accept yesterday, actually what I looked ahead at my calendar school will be starting. My routine, probably not going to get back on track for another couple weeks, because I'm not. I'm going to be it's just, I don't have a choice. It's just going to be what it is. I mean, it just goes back to that whole myth of balance, though. It's just,
Molly Bierman 23:16
hey, you're just more you're more dedicated to one area than the next at any given time. Last week was vacation. This week is trying to also, you know, honestly, I feel like a lot more attention is going to work this week.
Jill Griffin 23:29
Oh, it's day by day for me right
Molly Bierman 23:30
now. People side eyes in the home about, you know, my schedule this week and making some choices. You know? I mean, I take a whole week off, and then you have clients and challenges and things that need to get done. And how do you holiday weekend?
Jill Griffin 23:52
I know. How do you do deal with that, though, when you feel like you're distracted, because I, I did have to really prioritize with Alan, like yesterday and today are kind of like my days to work, and then Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, I did some work at home, and I made it, but I was like, on with the kids.
Molly Bierman 24:10
I made it a point early in the week. And I will be honest, I fell off on the back half of the week. At the front end of the week, I was good. I really like scheduled myself to three or 330 and then took the afternoon with the kids, you know, and by by yesterday, I was due to also call it quits at three, and it didn't happen. And then I felt a little bit guilty, and then we were going out to dinner with friends. And so I, you know, only got 3045 minutes, you know, 45 minutes with the kids between, you know, getting home and getting myself ready to go out and, you know, feeding and all that sort of good stuff. And you know, what I really thought about was there was a time when. Where that 30 to 45 minutes was all I got every day, yeah, right. And so I'm a bit more gracious with myself, because we just came off the heels of spending a whole dedicated week, no, like a couple, you know, a couple low hanging crises with with work, nothing major, right? Nothing compared to what it used to be and and so I really was like, this is just what the day looks like. And I fell short a little bit. And so today I'm going to try to adhere to, you know, the commitment of cutting out a little bit early this afternoon, knowing that, you know, in a couple of days, they're back to a routine. So but I think also what impacts my routine is if I'm not doing what I need to do in the morning, then I'm setting my day back. So that's what happened yesterday. Today, much better. Got up six, worked out, worked out with one of my neighbors and a trainer. Really fun. That's the type of commitment I need right now to be able to hold myself accountable. I can't just have an alarm go off and think that I'm gonna, yeah, I'm just not in that season in the last couple of weeks, you know, coming off the heels of summer, and so that felt good to me. Then I got up, I did what I need to do, got to play with the kids for a little bit in the morning. But when I'm setting my day back in the morning, and I either snooze the alarm or I don't get up, or I don't stay consistent with the routine, then the whole day is set back. Then I don't get that morning with the kids, or, you know, it's all frantic.
Jill Griffin 26:42
Well, there's a trade off, right? I think people look at us and really since covid, I think a lot of people have had more flexibility with remote scheduling and remote working. I think there's been a lot more flexibility for people since we've kind of shifted in in that direction. But I I think people will look at us be like, Oh, well, you're so lucky. And trust me, I said this before, I really can't complain. I will complain, to be clear, I shouldn't complain now, because during this hell week, I don't have to worry about PTO, I don't have to worry about requesting time off. I don't have to worry about being a teacher and having to go back to school earlier than my kids do. Like, you know, those teachers don't get enough time off, point blank, period. And so yes, we are lucky in that sense. But I will tell you that this is where discipline comes in so much more if you're an entrepreneur, because having all that flexibility if you don't know how to use your time correctly is a nightmare. I mean, it becomes a nightmare because you're like, just constantly trying to get back in a routine. It's like, you I am very when I am in my zone, and even when I'm when I'm out of routine. There are still some things that I do daily, and usually it's my morning routine, because that's what sets me up for the rest of the day,
Molly Bierman 28:09
right? Well, that's what I mean. So that's where the fallback was, right? So Monday, Tuesday, started off strong, and then yesterday was a little bit of a setback, and then it set back my day, and, you know? And also there's what's urgent that I need to handle at any given time, right? And there were some things I needed to handle later in the day that I didn't, didn't anticipate, but it's the way that the cookie crumbled. So that's where we are. It's
Jill Griffin 28:34
just a there's just, like a shift that has to happen when there's either when a partner's traveling or when maybe somebody is out, maybe a key person at your work is out, and you're covering for them. When a child is sick, like I think there's things that we can plan for and there's things that we can't right, and I think I've gotten better at planning for the things I can anticipate. So for instance, last week, I had key people out from work. I was covering. I was, you know, working multiple, yep, holding multiple roles, right? So I scheduled myself accordingly. I had a lot of blank time on my calendar. I made sure I was just available next. Next week, my spouse is traveling. So again, who am I calling for help? What do I need help with? How do I make, you know, make my schedule work? I think I did not do a good job of that before. And what would happen is I would try to do everything the same way as I do it when I have all my supports in place and and I would get so stressed out, and then I'm like, short with the kids, it's not enjoyable. When we are together, I'm not able to turn it off as good. And so it's
Molly Bierman 29:48
kind of the slowdown. It's the slowdown that's important, and sometimes the the universe slows you down, right? So good example of this, and I had texted you when it happened. And I was headed up to be in Maine for the week with my family. And it's something that is near and dear, because we've been going there since I was born, and for prior generations to me, so I believe this is the fifth generation. My kids are the fifth generation going to the same spot. And I, for the last four weeks, had had to do billing because our biller person was out. A key person was out. Our biller had had a baby. And I when I tell you guys like, that's not really where I thrive. I don't really love it. I can do it right if somebody shows me how to do something, I'm a pretty quick learner. But generally math, anything math related, we're not really loving Okay,
Speaker 3 30:55
and so unless, if it's counting those stacks,
Molly Bierman 31:02
that's true. So anyway, we end up going to we end up getting to Maine. And I had every intention to do billing when we got there. It was just the way that it was. I couldn't get it done before we left for a variety of reasons, whatever.
Jill Griffin 31:18
This was a big topic of conversation in the tax thread, guys, I got to do the billing. I got so fucking do it, Molly, just get it done. I don't know what to tell you. You got to pack. Just get it done. You're going on vacation. I
Molly Bierman 31:30
couldn't get it done before I left. I just couldn't there wasn't enough time in the day. There was probably a couple other crises that took place, whatever. So I get there, and as soon as I get there, it's beautiful. The we're on the water, and all of a sudden this storm rolls in, like I've really never seen I've been going there my whole life. And I'm like, this doesn't and it's like, dark, and the waves are starting to crash over. And I'm like, oh, no, the power went out, the power fully went out, and I feel like it's not happening. And I felt really bad, because there's a couple things I wanted to make sure I did it to completion, to feel like the, you know, the woman who was coming back from Lee was fully set up for success, and didn't feel like she had to do backlog. And also it was kind of me, like, setting this expectation in my head of what I needed to do, and that was it. And when, usually, when I put something in my head, guys, like, there's not a lot of flexibility, okay? And so if I made the commitment to myself, if I, if I commit myself to being somewhere, you know, I've gotten a little bit more I've gotten a tad bit more flexible over the years, where I say, Okay, if I can't do it, I can't do it, and I just allow myself to fall short. And this was one of those moments where I felt really committed to seeing it through, and I just couldn't. And I said, You know what? I'm gonna let her know, and the release of that, I'll tell you, it's not really about the situation, right? The situation is whatever. But the release of being flexible and saying this is just the way it is, was so relieving. But sometimes I really struggled to be able to and I'd love to hear, you know, if anyone wanted to drop a comment or drop an example. More ways to help us move through being flexible in our day to day is of the utmost importance, and sometimes I still really struggle with it. I don't know about you,
Jill Griffin 33:36
yeah, I do. And you know what I've done lately, probably for the past six months, really been better about it over the summer, primarily because of this flexibility we've had, like, weeks whether or not in camp, the camp schedule changes depending on the camp that they're in. So like, that summer flight, there's just school is just the same schedule. Yeah, you have half days and days off, but it's like the same thing from September to June. In the summer, the schedule gets funky. So I've just been better about honestly, putting admin time, or like in my calendar and and making it a point that that is a that is scheduled time, just like a client appointment, just like a totally just like any other meeting that's on my schedule, and making sure that I have that that time that is just for me, because I am in terms of flexibility, I have a list of tasks that I have to get done, and the same thing like I hold myself accountable to those tasks, mainly because the ones that I hold other people can't do right? They're mine, my responsibility, right? But what happens is I'll allow people to take up my time throughout the week and not allow not have the flexibility in my own schedule, so then I end up working more after I. Hours or early morning or on the weekends, because I now didn't create enough space during my week. And you know another rule that I said like I'm I'm not coming to meetings anymore if there's no agenda, if you don't have an agenda, it's an email. It's just someone about this. We're not meeting just to chat. I don't have time for that during my work week. If you want to catch me for lunch or coffee, that's one thing, but don't set up a meeting just to chit chat or a check in. That's an email
Unknown Speaker 35:32
that's free.
Jill Griffin 35:34
I've just I listen that meme that says I am in the My softest and most ruthless era resonates so hard with me, like I have to be ruthless with my time. This my my kids are seven and 10 now I have eight more good years, if it may be really realistically, maybe five with my daughter before I am less important than her friends. Mm,
Molly Bierman 36:00
I think gracious.
Jill Griffin 36:06
You saw the hug she gave me. She still likes me. She loves me. Okay, she looks like she's 15, but she's not, and she still loves me, but like, that's part of the reason why I'm like. It's like, yes, I want to grow. I have a lot. I am growth minded. I want to grow the businesses. I want to be successful. I that is something that's really important to me as a person. However, I'm not going to do that at the expense of not being there. And looking back in 20 years, I really wish I was there. I really wish I was there more for my kids,
Molly Bierman 36:40
right? Well, I think when we talk about the back to school piece, that is important, because there is a level of pressure that sets back in in the fall, which is the events, the school activities, the sports, all of that. And how do we make sure that the we're going into q4
Jill Griffin 37:01
I mean, as a business owner, this is like, this is like,
Molly Bierman 37:05
Yeah, this is the busiest time of
Jill Griffin 37:09
the year. It's a busy time you're looking at closing out the year strong. And not for nothing, but
Molly Bierman 37:14
really only two and a half months, because before you know it, it's Thanksgiving.
Jill Griffin 37:18
No one's working in December. Okay, I'm just letting you all know that now everyone's sending it in. There's probably some industries that you work even harder in December. I'm gonna tell you though, most people are sending it in in December. They are just waiting for that winter break. So a lot of the things that we're coming up with now, from a business perspective, is like, what are we going to put into place in q1 right? What are we going to put into place after the new year, getting situated for that, closing out the year strong. So I think it's really important to think about, you know, what are those strategies that work? What are the I don't even think they're major routines. I think they're more micro routines like 510, minutes a day, or even, what can we let go of? Like I just said, well,
Molly Bierman 38:07
delegating. Let's talk about delegation. I mean, some of the things that I am conscious of are where I need help with my children. Obviously, that's a big one, delegating time with other individuals that I know and trust and that love my kids equally to the way that I love them, and also allowing them for play, right? So maybe that's other individuals and being also cognizant that I sometimes fall short and there's times where I need someone to pick my child up from school, right? And so who are those people? Who are those people? Like, in your figure out your supports, in your, yeah, in your nuclear tribe, right? Like, who are those people? So that would be one that I that's a big deal.
Jill Griffin 38:53
Do you know how many people that I was thinking about this this morning because of another problem I'm trying to solve right now. There are a lot of people that I've talked to recently that have no support, like, they'll be like, I don't have family to rely on, which I know your families don't live around. And then it's like, well, I can't afford the childcare piece, which I want to challenge a little bit. And Rachel Rogers, who, I love her. You can find her on Instagram. She talks about the millionaire mindset, especially for female she really, she really talks about growing wealth from a female perspective, and why that's important. But one of the things she talks about is like, can you afford not to pay for this help? Because if we're trying, I mean, I think about when I was, I think about when I was in the nonprofit world, and I was, you know, in a leadership position. I'm pretty sure my entire salary went to daycare for my two children. Okay, me. Maybe I kept a little bit on the side, sure, but it's like, well, what's the point of working? Well, for me, the point of working was I needed this experience. I needed this I if I was going to continue to grow like, I couldn't
Molly Bierman 40:12
do as, you know, just like couldn't do it all with Carrie, right? You have to cut your teeth somewhere. And a lot of times cutting your teeth means a pretty low salary period.
Jill Griffin 40:21
So I think if it's a cost thing, you have to either get creative. There's other parents in your situation too. Then you do
Molly Bierman 40:30
a trade shout out to the nanny shares. I know a lot of friends that do that, where they are sharing a nanny, basically for whether they watch their kids together or they split the time, then it becomes a really more cost effective option, especially.
Jill Griffin 40:43
But even if you don't have it's leaning on some of those other supports, then other friends with kids, you're trading off days. You're getting somebody to help with pickup. Like there is a part of us, especially as mothers, but parents in general, and people in general, where they don't want to ask for help, they feel like I should be able to do this alone. Let me be very clear to anybody listening, we do not do it all. No, we don't do it all. I just put in an order for all my meal my meals for next week. Because, guess what? I'm not doing when I'm solo parenting back to school. I'm not cooking. So
Molly Bierman 41:20
you're not really cooking, even if those things weren't taking the fuck up, I cook.
Jill Griffin 41:27
I cook. I'm Italian. Don't, don't, don't do that. I can cook. Let
Molly Bierman 41:32
me be clear. No, it's nothing. No one's questioning your cooking skill set. It's just not the priority of what? Yeah,
Jill Griffin 41:41
that's low on the total i i like to do it when I'm not pressured for me to run home and just whip something together. Yeah, that's not happening. I don't like that at all. I don't like being rushed, especially when it comes to a meal and food. I don't it's too much
Molly Bierman 41:58
pressure. Speaking of which, I gotta give a sidebar real quick. So we were rushing home on Sunday, but I just could not eat one more meal out. Okay? We had been away all right. Like, I just, I just need to have, like, grill something, have a little salad. Like, have something green. We had been eating lobster all week, which I love, and it was time to have a vegetable. Okay? So
Jill Griffin 42:22
that's not a potato.
Molly Bierman 42:26
So I can't even say this, because it's so unlike me. I am a decent cook. My husband will say that I'm a great cook, but his but I'm not. I'm a decent Cook, okay? And I know great cooks who my girlfriends are, great cooks, like I'm decent. I do an Instacart because also that's another hack. So who knows every time I travel or but when you travel and you get back, it is a little bit of a breath of fresh air. You have groceries at the house. So I do the Instacart gets there when we get home, I think I taught you that hack you did. You did because I would rather just go the grocery store and pick out my own stuff, because I always feel like same but they sometimes like give stuff. That's not great, but whatever, it's a fine shortcut. And so I have these burgers that we got, and I got two packs somehow, so I don't know if it was a miss on their part. So I throw them on the grill. I go to do something else, and I forget them. Okay, yeah, yeah. So I just take them with with this, and, no, I hurl them into the woods. Okay, so then I put the next set on. I was like, they like it. They probably actually won't like it. So then I put the next set of burgers on. I didn't burn them, but they were really well done. And so Sam goes to sit down and eat them. And he was appalled. He was like, what happened here? This is the worst thing you have ever made in your life. And I was like, I really know, and all I could do is laugh, because he was right. It was
Jill Griffin 44:06
horrible. Did you tell him what happened to the first two? Yeah. He was like, what
Unknown Speaker 44:13
happened?
Jill Griffin 44:15
I feel the lesson learned in all of this is Sam should be the one grilling
Molly Bierman 44:20
that was also his takeaway,
Jill Griffin 44:25
yeah, yeah. That's a role. That's a role, different differential that we have in our house. Like, I'm not that was
Molly Bierman 44:31
also his takeaway. He's like, Why do you insist on grilling? He's like, you're not good at it. I'm like, Hmm, He's not wrong. So going back to our our shortcuts and our
Jill Griffin 44:43
and support. Support? Yes,
Molly Bierman 44:47
I would say that I also have had these thoughts where I look at some of my friends who maybe don't have the relationships or feel guilty asking another family to help out. I. I don't feel guilty. And some moments I'm like, should I feel guilty? But I don't. I will read, and I'll say, Hey, are you available? No pressure. If not, I will figure out another alternative, right? But I put it out there, and it's also grown some friendships for my kids in that way too.
Jill Griffin 45:18
Listen, do you know when I stop feeling guilty. Please. Do you think that Beyonce feels guilty about the entourage of people helping her? Be Beyonce,
Molly Bierman 45:31
no, and we love you.
Jill Griffin 45:32
Okay, Beyonce. Beyonce got personal trainer, she's got a chef, she's got a nanny, she's got a driver, she's got people doing all sorts of shit for her so she doesn't feel guilty. You can't do, you cannot be in a successful position and and do it all. You cannot. And if you are, and if you're listening, or you're watching other successful women, and you think, and you're thinking badly about yourself or guilty, because I should be able to do all this and I can't do it. We're not doing it all. We are delegating. You have to learn to be able to delegate without guilt and to find the people who are your people. And I will say that this is a difference between men and women, because for a lot of men in successful positions, there's a woman behind them doing all that delegation and taking all that stuff off their plate. So this isn't anything against you cause a spot you're in life, but there, you know, there is definitely a lot of family responsibilities and scheduling and just so many things. And we don't think twice when it's a man, be it an athlete, a business person, all this stuff, when they just are they don't take care of any of that stuff. They just leave to go do what they're good at.
Molly Bierman 46:55
Well, also speaking of scheduling, if you haven't invested in one, you may want to the skylight. My
Jill Griffin 47:07
My mom is pushing it hard. She's already told me, I'm buying you guys one. She is all in 100%
Molly Bierman 47:14
too. It is great because especially for your kids and all and you know, we won't spend a ton of time on it, but you can adhere to the wall. It runs through all the chores for the kids, so they can check off what they do each day. You can do meal planning in there. And then it's the family
Jill Griffin 47:30
calendar. And, you know, meal planning, I'm ordering my meals so
Molly Bierman 47:36
well, no, but like if, if Alan wants to cook one night, or you want to cook one night, whatever, you know, you can kind of put that in. You don't have to use that feature. And it creates a grocery list. So we can add stuff to the grocery list right on there, and then it's on your phone. But the other piece I'll say is that I came from a household growing up. My mom did like you talk about a man being behind, talked about that on a woman. Hell yeah, yeah, a woman being behind doing the logistics we back in the day, use those big white, you know, office calendars. So the skylight is the next, you know, is the next generation of those.
Jill Griffin 48:14
All right? So that is also something you can put into place. What are the micro routines, though, that you do, like, what's, what's your morning routine that you're committing to for the fall right now,
Molly Bierman 48:26
my morning routine is a couple times a week. Exercise early before the kids get up. Well, my baseline morning routine is up at 530 before the kids wake up. Workout at six. Sauna, if I can, if I feel like I have enough time, and prior to all of those things taking place when I get up in the morning, is non negotiables, is inventory from the day before, multiple daily readings, some sort of spiritual component, and a gratitude list, and we've talked about that on prior episodes. So those are the non negotiables, and that's whether I get up at 530 or get up at 730 Right? Like there is some flexibility there. If I, if I have a late
Jill Griffin 49:16
start to the day, that's the micro routine for sure.
Molly Bierman 49:19
Yeah, but I'm really looking at five days a week, you know, Monday through Friday, being on a pretty consistent routine as far as time to get up, time to get the kids to school, etc, etc. And really, I get overwhelmed. And I've talked to you about this, and other people about this, I get overwhelmed if I don't have a beat before the kids wake up. Yes, that is 30 minutes. That could be 15 minutes. That could be an hour.
Jill Griffin 49:50
I need that time to ground myself in the morning.
Unknown Speaker 49:55
Bless you. Allergies are coming back.
Jill Griffin 49:59
Yeah. I definitely need that. I need to collect myself. I need to get back into working out or not working out. Working out is not a problem for me that I am consistent with, but I've been getting up way later. We have bus at 715 I need to really be up at 430 again. Soon I woke up at 445 today.
Molly Bierman 50:21
No, that's like, that's my old life. I'm not getting up that early. Am I getting up that early? I mean, I don't have to anymore, though, right? So you will one day, but you have a lot longer of a workout too. I'm, you know, I have a lot lower, no, a lot longer, a lot longer periods of time, right? So for me and for Yeah, feel like they have limited time, right? And don't want to get up at 430 as a Olympian athlete, as Jill is I. I get up at I get up at 530 workout at six, try to lift heavy, do a little bit of cardio, whatever it is, 30 to 45 minutes, that's what I have time for at this at this juncture of my life, I don't hang out at the gym for two hours.
Jill Griffin 51:12
So my routine in the morning is I get up, I have coffee. I need to limit I need to limit my time doing my readings, my my gratitude, all that stuff. This morning, it was close to an hour. It was close to an hour before I will before I worked out. I actually don't think I worked out until six, yeah? So, like, because I knew I had time. I got up at 445 I knew I had time. I'm not gonna have that. That's what I'm not going to have the luxury of that time anymore. Yeah, yeah. So I really need to get up have my coffee half an hour tops, and I need
Molly Bierman 51:48
to be half an hour tops, half an hour tops.
Jill Griffin 51:51
My workouts are typically an hour to an hour and a half. I could be a little bit better around timing again, when I have time, I'll just kind of like, stretch it out and take more time, but an hour, hour and a half. So it's usually taking me two hours in the morning of me and I'm usually listening to a podcast or books on tape. I typically do when I work out before I put the music on. So I'm getting some sort of like,
Molly Bierman 52:18
Yeah, I'll do a podcast too. I'll, I'll throw on a podcast for a little bit of time, especially if I'm sending in the sauna.
Jill Griffin 52:27
So then I, then I get ready. What I do need to get better at this year is preparing myself the night before. So like the kids lunches, just like prepping what I can the night before my lunches, I have gotten out of meal prepping for myself for lunch. I probably haven't done that in three weeks, and I can tell you that that's one of those things that does anchor me and ground me, because I just I don't want to have to worry about what I'm eating. And if I'm not eating regularly, then my blood sugar is all over the place. It's been a nightmare the last couple of
Molly Bierman 52:56
weeks, and it does take the line most of what my brain power goes to. And I will say this, and I don't have the experience, but I know some people do, the brain power that goes towards meal planning or thinking about food is a lot. And from what I understand, I have not been on GLP ones, but from what I understand from other people, from being on GLP, ones that noise actually minimizes a lot, which is very interesting, because I will tell you that consumes a lot of what I'm thinking about when I'm at lunch, I'm already thinking about what I'm at for dinner. I mean, I love food, but it also is very time consuming. So even today, like I walked into the kitchen, I'm like, oh my god, I gotta go to the grocery store because I don't really have I didn't have any eggs, I didn't have any of, like, the basic stuff I needed. And when I don't have, like, a quick grab, especially when I'm working from home, it becomes, like, a whole waste of time. It becomes a waste of time. I'm wasting my time thinking about what I'm eating, bottom line.
Jill Griffin 54:04
So that's been the problem in our house. The last three weeks, haven't really gone shopping, like a good shop, like I need to go, like I need to go and get, like, the pantry supplies, the grab and go. You gotta do it. You have to do a Costco. We're not cheap
Molly Bierman 54:19
right now. Yeah, we're, we're minimalist, and we're just skating
Jill Griffin 54:23
by. Let me tell you one thing that I'm not in life as a minimalist. I am a maximalist in a lot of ways,
Molly Bierman 54:30
minimal, right? But my my fridge does not plant
Jill Griffin 54:34
tree. My fridge is, is not doing well right? Now. It's unwell, right? I also think that so really, our morning routine is our anchor routine. That is the thing that really day have to do that and then make sure we're fed throughout the day. Honestly, though that's a big thing like. Yeah, because the meal planning making sure we know what we're eating every day, and then what am I eating for lunch? I can't be, I don't want to be wasting the time you're so, right, yeah, like, it's like, it's such a time sink.
Molly Bierman 55:11
It's a time suck. It really is thinking about food is equivalent to me going down an Instagram rabbit hole. I'm not kidding you, it is equivalent. Yikes, because I,
Jill Griffin 55:24
you just eat,
Molly Bierman 55:24
or I I'd be more prepared about what's in my fridge. And so I don't have to feel like, oh, I have to DoorDash tonight, or I have to even that, like, I don't want to do it. I want, well, I love that is a point of content. Recipe. I want a recipe prep. I want to do that the big point of contention, because my husband has no issue door dashing, and I am sitting there saying, If I eat out one more meal that has like, an increased amount of sodium, increased
Unknown Speaker 55:50
amount oil, seed
Molly Bierman 55:52
oil stuff, I can't do it, and it doesn't make me feel good. Even last night, we went out to this restaurant, and it was okay. I was a little bit let down honestly. But this morning, I woke up and I was like, I already feel it. I feel swollen in my face, all the sodium that's in it. So I like, honestly, what's really cathartic for me is to cook. I do like it. I enjoy it
Jill Griffin 56:15
when you have the time right, and you have the writing during
Molly Bierman 56:18
the week, I can do a 45 minute throw together easily, but I need at least a little bit more in my fridge than what's currently in there. So I am, I am good to I am good to cook four to five, four to five nights out of the week, usually
Jill Griffin 56:33
not happening.
Molly Bierman 56:36
That's that's my that's my relaxation. Throw on a podcast or on some music. Let the kids play outside with Sam. That's like my that's my style.
Jill Griffin 56:43
But I'll say, though, that is a point of contention, because I've, I've sometimes had to reflect talent like you do. You understand the amount of time and energy I go into planning what I'm buying at the store, what I'm buying that for, because I also don't want to waste food. I don't want to buy all this food, and then we don't use it, because then it's like, Oh, nobody wants to cook it. Then we're eating out, and it's like, it's like, this juggling drives me insane. I need to know what the plan is. If you're out one night, it's just me and the kids. Okay, who am I cooking for? What are we grilling ahead? What are we prepping for? It's just and then what are the kids going to eat for lunch? What? Like? It's all these things. So that's going to be the getting that together on the weekend. Sundays are usually my day where we haven't been home on it's summer, right? That summer flexibility, great. I'm looking forward to getting back into Sunday I set myself up for the week, and not just myself, it's everybody in the house. Do we have clean clothes? Do we have our clothes picked out for the week? Do we have thankfully, my kids are independent and get their stuff together in the morning. But still, I think it's just moving from this, like, chaotic, just fly by the seat of our pants. We're just kind
Molly Bierman 57:53
of flinging it. Maybe you don't go to a late night, like, yeah, go out to dinner, sit outside, you know, and we'll still do some of those things, right? We will, like, we want to enjoy the nice weather as it, you know, here where we live, it's warm till November. I mean, I can remember Thanksgiving. A few years ago, we were sitting outside on the covered porch, you know, screen and porch at Thanksgiving. I mean, it can stay warm here for an extended period of time, and that still so it leaves us flexibility in terms of when we do want to go out. But I am really ready. I even said this before our last vacation, and I don't want to come from a place of entitlement or, you know, feeling like this is a prideful thing to say I was, but this is just my truth. Is that I really was ready to be home. I felt like we vacationed a lot this summer. Al was
Jill Griffin 58:55
like, You're away again. Let them live their lives. That's what people say about us all the
Molly Bierman 59:00
time, yeah, but I really, I can relate, Allen, you were away a lot this summer, before we before we left on this trip, I was like, I'm tired. I'm ready to be home for a bit. And so, and you
Jill Griffin 59:15
know, again, this is our time, and you're traveling again in two weeks. So
Molly Bierman 59:19
Exactly, exactly, exactly. I'm traveling tomorrow Fortnite,
Jill Griffin 59:30
yeah, yeah. Well, it's like throwing those things in. So what can we let go of to make spaces fall? Because it's not travel that is clearly not the thing we're letting go of. No, I'm already booking
Molly Bierman 59:41
the house for next year. My mom already texted me. She's like, so when are we in for the dates? She's probably listening right now, I'm
Jill Griffin 59:49
trying to get Molly to come to Miami with me, but she won't commit right now, it's not put it on the table and book it. You didn't give me the dates for. My bucket. Oh, I gave you all the information. Oh,
Molly Bierman 1:00:03
yeah, with the family, with the fam, yeah, yeah, I have that. We're ready. Sam and I are ready for that. What are some of the things that I can let go of? Some of the things that I can let go of? There's a lot of things that I should be letting go of, but some of the things that I can let go of are everything being kind of buttoned up the night before. Like, I think I need to really think about what is priority the night before, when school starts, you know, which is prep for the next day, etc. So if there's toys thrown about, if there's some dishes left in the sink, look, that's not me. I don't love that for me, and I've gotten a little bit better here and there where I will let some things sit till the next day. And so that's a pretty real. That's a pretty real
Jill Griffin 1:01:03
example of me. That's you kind of letting go of some of your perfectionist tendencies.
Molly Bierman 1:01:11
Yes, how would you feel about leaving
Jill Griffin 1:01:13
dishes in the sink till the next I have no problem with that. What about your husband? He doesn't love it, but I think he's also gotten to the point where he can tolerate it now and again. I've had to kind of explain my point of it. It's like, it's not that I'm a slob and I just don't care. It's like, if the dishwasher is clean now, it's a whole nother layer of things, 100% I'm not doing that. Like we're not really cockroaches overnight. If there's a few dishes in this thing, we can do this in the morning.
Molly Bierman 1:01:46
No, just a few basic things where I can leave things a little bit unended.
Jill Griffin 1:01:53
Okay, what's something that I can let go of for the fall to make space? Honestly, I'm going through a lot of transition right now. I think one of the things that I'm trying to make space for is some staff members to step up to some new levels of responsibility, and so that with that comes me letting go of things that I've kind of kept holding on to as only I can do it.
Speaker 2 1:02:26
Yeah, yeah. So I
Jill Griffin 1:02:29
am really trying to elevate some of my staff to because we're in a big we're going to be growing. So there's this I can foresee what that looks like and the structure that needs to be put into place, and it requires some more of that free time for myself because of those unexpected things that come up, you know, different things in the background I need to be working on. I can't, I can't always anticipate all those things. So I think in general, it's letting go of things that I have kind of been possessive over, in terms of, like, I'm the only one that can do this working well,
Molly Bierman 1:03:10
right? That's and that's what I even me doing that whole billing portion in the business for those few weeks. I think that's also where it came from. She wasn't in the mix with the current client. She wasn't in the mix with the current roster, or some different tweaks that we had made, right? So there was this idea that me holding onto something too, and I think that's important to mention. I will say that there was a conversation I had a couple of weeks ago about a little bit of that grief process of coming from a really well oiled machine in my previous business to now all of those growing pains, it's I really have to practice letting things be messy, because it's very new. Still, there's going to be a lot of growing pains, right? And so allowing
Jill Griffin 1:03:59
and sometimes you don't see the solutions until you let it get messy, though that's the thing. Like, we had to have a really hard conversation, not even, not even hard in the in the fact that, like, there was disagreements, but hard in the fact of, like, Hey, listen, we need to switch things up, because the growth, we can't sustain this growth. And I think we're not having a lot of conversations, and exactly in businesses where it's like, hey, this person may not be working out, or this position doesn't work out. We need to move some things around, and sometimes we're afraid to do that because of it's either going to offend somebody or what do we do? We don't know what it looks like on the other end, great. I don't always have the solution, but I do know that right now, it's not going to work if we keep putting either more clients or more, if we keep putting pressure on the system, it's going to fail. So I
Molly Bierman 1:04:50
think that brings up a good point, because yesterday, I, and this might just be a goal, right, that I want to mention for the upcoming, you know, the upcoming. Uh, school year q4, everything that we just discussed, and I am in the process of easing back in some areas and really helping the foundational growth in other areas of the business, right? And if you haven't read the book, or you're not familiar with it, and you're in the process of growth from a business perspective, I'm about to start following the systems and processes that are outlined in the book traction, and it is going to help. It's an Entrepreneurial Operating System, and I know a lot of folks that have used it, and basically what it talks about is right person right seat. And do you have the right people in the right seat at any given time in your business? And so I'm excited to start from the ground up, essentially because this is a new business and really build on a solid foundation with the outline that this provides. So that's something else that I have in the works that I'll be working on while letting go of some of the day to day.
Jill Griffin 1:06:15
That's always the push and pull when you're an entrepreneur, and honestly, it's where a lot of businesses fail is because the people in leadership don't want to delegate appropriately, and we don't put the right people. We have this tie to people, and we don't want to let them down or disappoint them or make them feel bad or whatever. But it's like, I like how you phrase that right person, right seat. What's you would like that. I don't think I've read that. Yeah, what is our permission slip?
Jill Griffin 1:06:55
I have one. Okay, shoot. You don't need permission to to re establish routines, create new routines for work or your family like at any given time. But now, a beginning of a new season is always a good time to look at those routines. What's working, what's not,
Molly Bierman 1:07:17
yeah, and changing it up, permission to change your routine, right the same, permission to change your mind, permission to change the day to day, to have an open conversation with your partner, your employer, your colleague, around schedule, things that might need to change shift. I think we get into this position where everybody feels like, well, this is the way it's always been, especially in business, and the needs of the business might need to change,
Jill Griffin 1:07:50
right? Or they did change. They just, they changed and didn't
Molly Bierman 1:07:56
evolve. It didn't, it didn't fall, fall down the ranks, you know? So, yeah, yeah, I love that.
Jill Griffin 1:08:04
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Molly Bierman 1:08:25
Yeah, we'd love to start hearing feedback from everybody. We're having a good time. We're having a good run with this new endeavor, and it wouldn't be what it is without your feedback. So please send in or if there's any topics you really want us to cover, questions, comments, let us know from you. Let us know. All
Jill Griffin 1:08:48
right, everyone see ya.